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oh wow........ (as someone who grew up in Vancouver...... aka "HongCouver" ......... you gotta come visit HONG-COUVER some day and do a video on how chinese are taking over the greater Vancouver area, NOT EVEN JUST VANCOUVER CITY....... ITS EVERY SINGLE CITY within a 1-2 hour drive outside of Vancouver City................. THEY LITERALLY ARE TAKING OVER....... and I am NOTTT a racist person........ but man..... its not the same vancouver that I grew up in I tell you that, MY SON IS ONE OF ONLY 6 WHITE KIDS IN HIS ENTIRE SCHOOL (a elementary school of 400-450 kids BY THE WAY)...................... since grade 1 (he is now in grade 3) ........ HE HAS BEEN THE ONLY WHITE KID IN HIS CLASS SINCE HE STARTED GOING TO SCHOOL THERE................. AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!! NOTHING WRONG WITH CHINESE OR ASIAN PEOPLE................. I JUST CAN NOT HELP BUT WONDER THAT 15-30 YEARS FROM NOW............. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYYYYY WHITE PEOPLE LEFT HERE????????? MY THOUGHTS ARE NO........ WHITE PEOPLE WILL BE LESS THEN 5%

12:29 😂😂😂😂 I wonder what he thought when seeing that picture 😂😂.

In regards to the job issue, I wonder if allowing only a certain number of a certain demographic to be hired as opposes to giving majority of the jobs to that one demographic? Or maybe removing the wage subsidies? Is canada even in a financial position to be subsidizing wages? I don’t know if that would help….. just a thought.

i wonder,,,have you ever thought,,,,Hmmm!,,,it's almost like this is being done; deliberately ?

I wonder how Trump groupies feel now and about what has transpired under Trump's brief but tumultuous reign? It's peculiar how they thought that they would be excluded from suffering ?.

This is a wonderful thought out speech.. nothing like the speeches trump has proudly been spewing out. I dread the speech that trump is doing tonight. ??

Australian here and Canada have you in our thoughts! Wonderful speech!

Trudeau and the country Canada are also been gifted and lied to by Donald Trump all the wonderful things that he said that he and Donald did together we’re all self-serving for Donald. He never has any intention to keeping allies happy that chainsaw that they broke out on the world stage is coming for everybody. But guess what we’re not gonna stand for it. They thought they were pandering this to a bunch of sleeping idiots but we’re awake and we have been awake. What a decent and humanitarian president going to figure out how he can help Canadian businesses whether this storm while Americans are left in the dust with their cabinet of curiosities screwing them over with no way to survive. I can already hear Trump’s read to the media. Canada has not done enough on the final on fentanyl they haven’t done enough. I told them they had to do XYNZ and they haven’t done enough. He’ll lie to everybody all over again, like every day of his life, the biggest liar.

Trudeau and the country Canada are also been grifted and lied to by Donald Trump all the wonderful things that he said that he and Donald did together we’re all self-serving for Donald. He never has any intention to keeping allies happy that chainsaw that they broke out on the world stage is coming for everybody. But guess what we’re not gonna stand for it. They thought they were pandering this to a bunch of sleeping idiots but we’re awake and we have been awake.

Little Trump is not a president nor is he a businessman. He’s a scared little rat a draft dodger and think America if he was afraid to fight in the war then what makes us think that he would protect us now he’s a scared rat. He’s afraid of his own shadow. The family kids and the grandchildren are the ones that are going to feel the damage he will do to this country in four years. I feel so sorry for our men and women in the military now and our veterans are taking a pounding very sad . He’s only doing it to benefit for his own greed. Very sad human being. He’s miserable he’s depressed. You can see it in his face. He was a piece of shit to the American people before he ever even thought of being a president he owes contractors millions of dollars through his life no wonder he has a bull’s-eye on his back and they say he can’t sleep at night well, I wonder why he fucked the American people and he will keep fucking American people nobody will stop him He will keep fucking us until he’s done. And after all that damage that he will do to this country, in the four years it will be so damaged. It will never heal.

Dear Mr. President Trump, would you please reconsider welcoming these wonderful fellow North Americans living in these TEN Canadian Provinces, not as the 51st State, but as TEN States, when being invited into the United States of America? These Canadian Provinces being Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Prince Edward Island, Quebec, and Saskatchewan.\n\nSuggested is to make Canada’s existing 10 Provinces into 10 individual United States States. Canada will benefit with a strong 10 State influence within 60 United States governance affairs. Benefits are 10 more States on a balanced display welcomed as 10 white stars within the beautiful United States of America field of Blue of our Flag. Other countries will see North America’s Great Power when 60 glorious States, when combined, and working well together, communicating best when communicating with each other only in English, when English is the United States official National Language. No more Government waste of having multi language signage. Another geologically considered North American country, Greenland, with 4 more territories may wish to add four more States, as well as the many existing United States Territories across the globe may desire Statehood. The Sun will never set on the United States. As for 10 Canadian States, think of the  benefit of 20 mostly conservative thinking U.S. Senators which equals a larger majority of conservative votes in the larger U.S. Senate when composed of 120 Senatorial political leaders. 120 U.S. Senators keep the Filibuster procedure balanced. 10 Canadian Provinces converted into 10 United States States equals many more conservative House of Representatives votes enhancing the conservative majority of political leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives. So many good reasons why Canada’s 10 Provinces, with a mostly conservative thinking population of thinkers, should be transformed into 10 new United States States, not just one United States. Yes....10 more States that is the helpful way forward for the United States to have a very dominant conservative thinking population of United States Congress Political Leaders, resulting in a long term more stable United States Congress representing 60 United States, thinking more conservative, thinking more logical, thinking more common sense thoughts, thinking more capitalist job creation thoughts, thinking more tax cut thoughts, are just some of the benefits of having 60 United States of America States on  display, and functioning efficiently going forward for all the World’s Countries to marvel at.

Not condoning this or calling for it and I'm not wishing this on anyone! But some thoughts...Is a Democrat just somebody who needs yet to be smashed in the streets or have their money taken away to understand a problem? It's hard to 'MAGA' when half the Country are 'against it level stupid' which is a dangerous level of stupid for all of us to live with! \n\nNormal people-not brainwashed by Democrats-can learn from what happened to others by illegal gang-members, murderers, rapists, etc., etc, etc. so one must wonder are these Democrats also a danger to themselves? \nOr, is this the liar channels' fault? Have they EVER even heard the names of victims or the details??? Making the liar channels responsible???\nMaybe a lot more 'kinds' need to be deported???\n2 Corinthians 6:14-18

We recently assisted an American client in moving to Poland, and he shared an interesting thought with us. He said, ‘If the U.S. handled immigration like Poland does, people wouldn’t be so desperate to leave.’ Poland provides clear, fair rules, while the U.S. keeps making things more complicated. No wonder more Americans are looking toward Europe for stability!

I visited London 30 years ago, and I thought I was in an Islamic city. On the bus, in restaurants, on the streets, everywhere I went it was Islamic works. Including the dirt by the way. I was wondering where I was. Where are you English people? Where are you British? Why did you run away from London and left it for foreigners?

I wonder how much money we will have to pay for these countrys to take them back. It's sad but it's a fact all these countries look at is like we are stupid. We will have to pay for these people to fly back to there own countries and then pay off there government to take them back. Even thought most likely we are all ready giving them. Money for food and whatever else

I wonder if this guy ever thought he was wrong

I wonder if they thought about where they would live, or how will they support themselves. The United States an afford to house and feed them. This country has enough homeless people, and people on public assistance.

Immigrant families who are here should probably have conversations with their children about the possibility of being deported together and what that could look like; now is the time to have a plan, not the time to sit and wonder and wait for the inevitable. Its the responsibility of the adults in the families to have thought of all scenarios prior to relocating their minors and putting minors at risk of rape, assault, trafficking, and orphanhood. While I am praying for these individuals and have great compassion for them, the priority needs to be those who are paying thousands and waiting years to come in legally. Fair is fair. America and Americans first.

I wonder what the natives thought ,wen all those blankets killed them and there land took

I wonder who they THOUGHT trump was deporting To turn around and vote against your own interests.

Brampton? My bad. Thought it was Bramladesh. No wonder my mail gets returned!

Oh, Brampton’s over 80% non-white, and now it’s a 'mass immigration crisis,' is it? Interesting. I wonder how the Indigenous people felt when waves the Europeans came over and started making themselves at home. You know, back when mass immigration also happened, except the native population didn’t exactly get a warm welcome either—more like the opposite.\n\nI mean, isn’t it ironic? A country built on immigration now complaining about… immigration. It’s almost like history has a sense of humor. But hey, at least now we have the internet so everyone can share their thoughts on 'who belongs' in a land that wasn’t really theirs to begin with. Funny how that works, right?\n\nOh yes, Canadian culture and values—those timeless, ancient traditions that go all the way back to… the last couple of centuries? I mean, forgive me, but when exactly did Canada, a country that came into existence through colonization, suddenly develop this pure, distinct culture that’s now under 'threat'?\n\nLet’s talk about Canadian values—like diversity, inclusion, and… oh wait, that’s only good until people from different backgrounds actually show up. Then it’s suddenly a 'crisis.' Classic.\n\nAnd what exactly are we preserving here? Maple syrup and hockey? Because, newsflash, multiculturalism is Canadian culture now. It’s the same 'values' that were conveniently forgotten when Indigenous communities were being erased. But sure, let’s act like a few more immigrants are going to dismantle the grand, rich, centuries-old tapestry of... Tim Hortons and politeness.\n\nHonestly, if the presence of more people of color is that threatening to 'Canadian values,' maybe those values were never that strong to begin with.

Wow I thought they were doing the same thing to Yemen but now I'm wondering if that was all propaganda to threaten them into selling us cheaper oil or something. And in that note I'd just like to thank the good old fashioned American media for destroying my concept of truth and reality.

I thought the whole concept of Canadian immigration is to seek new settlements in other provinces that are lacking population. I wonder if the government are doing that to put immigrants in those provinces and to build a strong Canadian society, with a strong-hold economically throughout the country. But that includes having the immigrants agreeing to setup bases in rural areas that needs a build-up. It's literally a settlers 2.0. But I see that as an escape from another place that has nothing. No is pressured to doing anything, it's just being transparent in what will happen. And in another way, the citizens of Canada will see it as giving into the country.

Add a comment…\n\n\n@user-td1xi2jn6u\n1 second ago\nNow these foreigners will understand how indians felt when brit.. came in name of trade and then disturbed culture,education literally\n\nEverything\n\n\nEven i would blame them for rapes in india\n\nThey destroyed our gurukul culture which taught discipline to boys along with sex education at right time\n\n\nThey introduced these western food which we call JUNK FOOD\n\n\nThey let the population explode\n\n\nRemember indias populqtion was 50 cr at time of independence\n\n\n\n\nWhich is more than usa population in 2024\n\n\n\n\n\nNo govt can teach or employ such a big no.\n\n\nSo they r migrating\nKARMA RETURNS TO U FINALLY\n\n\nno body thought that we i idians will do such wonders at global level\n\n\nIf a canadian or usa brain cant compete is it our fault\n\n\n\nIf u all dont want us lets help indians to control population and set up better institutions\n\n\nWe r bound to study in ur country becoz u all\nBroke our universities rember THE GREAT NALANDA UNIVERSITY,TAKSHILA UNIVERSITY.\n\n\nJUST WAIT FOR 1 MORE DECADE\nWE WILL PAY BACK FOR UR SINS BUT IN OUR STYLE\n\n\nJUST CRY \nREMEMBER ONE DAY THE PRESIDENTS OF MOST OF COUNTRIES WOULD BE OF INDIAN ORIGIN\n\n\nBECOZ WE R BEST IN EVERYTHING \nSCIENCE,MATHS,ADMINISTRATION\nWARFARE ALL??

I'm a white Canadian Nurse. This fellow spoke very well. I've always been pro immigration to mesh cultures and increase the population of this huge Country. However, in the past few years I'm made aware of the increasing violent gangs, theft, plagiarism, dishonesty, Indians getting managerial positions then only hiring Indians, cheating in schools, fabricated names.\nI have a rental and there was a time I chose what I thought a wonderful young Indian couple over 25 others looking. At 21 yrs old, she boasted how she and her Indian friends could trick the cash register at The Bay where she worked giving themselves 80% off everything. He worked for cash for another Indian. They were shameless. Who goes to a foreign Country and steals.

love the comments here, so true! I came to Germany 7 years ago , speak German fluently and am on the verge of getting the citizenship but I will leave the country soon , why?\n1- extremely ineffective bureaucracy\n2-high taxes ( like you are being punished for not having a kid and earning more money, how dare you?)\n3- low acceptance for innovation and technology ( I swear I had to use and am still using a Fax Machine!! at work, I thought Fax was something that disappeared when I was a kid but it apparently just moved to Germany )\n4- bad weather\n5- even with a C2 Certificate, Germans are not the most friendliest people around ( like some other central and north european countries ) , you immediately feel the difference in attitude when you go to Spain, Italy or more friendly countries\n6- hypocrisy when it comes to immigration policies... like they want the most skilled workers but they dont want to pay them a good salary and even from that salary half is gone without you seeing it. and yet they still seem to wonder where the problem is.... my friend, Money, make them earn more at the end of the month(AFTER tax) and they will stay, yet they do every other measure apart from this :)))

I thought Canada ?? under Trudeau was just wonderful... ???

This is great, I wonder why the people aren’t complaining to the democrat administration, or their senator they voted for? Seems like the democrats are more like sheep and just keep voting for democrats without any thought of the consequences.

Yeah, and one of the countries enforcing that blockade on Gaza is Egypt, an Arab country. On the West Bank it is also blockaded by Jordan, another Arab country. Hmm... I wonder what his thoughts are on Yemen?

They all immigrate to PEI because it is the quickest way to seek citizenship in the country, as soon as they gain it they move to Ontario. I have met many wonderful people from India through work and because of our government choosing to allow so many people over here without providing proper housing for not only the new immigrants, but also for our own native born citizens, there is nothing available at any decent price for young people like myself who want to move out from their parents homes. It's also causing a lot of people to be racist towards Indians when the fault truly lies in our government. And because we are allowing so many people over here without proper background checks and things such as that we are also allowing people over here that could pose a threat to women or others. I had a cab driver last week (who was from India) who tried to hit on me and told me he left India because he was getting into too many physical fights over in India and also told me he had gotten into physical fights with some of his customers as well. It was scary for me as a woman to be in a car with that man who was taking me to my home. The government needs to do better for us. We feel alone and ignored when it comes to this. The greed pushing this stupid, and not properly thought out, immigration policy needs to be put to an end so that the people who have lived here their whole lives can get a chance at life.

crazy, people have no money want to live in the paradise and enjoy their life there. wonder why they have this thought.

It’s funny that we get offended by being thought as American. Most Americans I’ve met have been wonderful people.

I wonder what the first nations thought when they were getting murdered for their land

Wait a minute, I thought Torontonians are so friendly, lovely, and wonderfully diverse and multicultural? What's going on here with existing immigrants telling new immigrants to GTFO? Someone explain, please.

A stranger In your own counrry？Well I wonder what the First Nations thought when　Europeans wiped them out. Also LOOK CANADIAN？am I hearing thos in 2024？You dont look very aboriginal to me. GettIng Indians to say there are too many Indians doesnt make it legit.

I wonder if he thought he was about to get assassinated…

I wonder what the aboriginals thought when their cities were being overrun by Europeans. Most of those you call Canadians are essentially Europeans including yourself. Immigrants are not the problem of Canada. The country needs to expand and develop. You can't have the size of America with the economy of California. Life in Canada should be a lot less cheaper with a lot less taxes and a lot more construction.

Toronto used to be a wonderful beautiful very clean and proud CITY it was reverd as one of the BEST known all over the world ?\nNow I refuse to even go there OMG\nI used to work Contruction all across Toronto in the early 80's it's truly a very sad thing\nI tend to shutter a the thought of what it will be like in a nother 10 to 20 years \n(Oh yeah I'm a VERY proud CANADIAN and most proud of all to be able to that my Grandfather fought at Vimy Ridge)\nIt's time to turn things around and make it a proud,clean CITY AGAIN!!!!!

I wonder how many people immigrate to India ? \n\nThat’s what I thought, slum lord millionaire lady has a big mouth…

Never thought of it like that… always wondered why they aren’t helping! Only God can help now ??

Thank you Ma’am for wonderful thoughts and suggestions ❤

I lived in Toronto for more than a decade and def thought it was a wonderful place esp through the 2000's and early 2010's. I noticed a huge downturn around 2013-2014. It was getting harder and harder for normal folks to get by even back then, and that people were becoming very frustrated. I ended up leaving in 2017 in order to have a higher quality of life elsewhere - tbh when I left I thought I was just getting old, and I wasn't cool anymore, but I moved to a different larger city and went back to having a great time, and the folks around me were happier. I can't say I'm surprised that it's gotten worse since.

It is wonderful that we still have so called democratic countries where you can come and go as you wish and have freedom of movement and thought

Funnily enough, last night I was watching CTV’s National News and they were discussing the change in our weather and they showed a lot of coverage of how this weather is affecting the USA. I thought of you right away… and you’re wondering if we ever see any of your news. Every night, your country seems to be featured in our National News alongside our own news.

That I found this video is a sign from Allah I am on the right thought and path❤❤\nI am a Single Muslimah working mother of a young kid and InshaAllah will do Hijra for the sake of practising Islam easily. ??\n\nWas looking for options and came across this video. JazakAllah! Saleh family❤️❤️\n\nMay Allah make it easy for all of us to follow our deen. \nInshaAllah will do Hijra in 2025 and raise a child who will be a wonderful Muslim above everything else. Aameen! ??

I was in Turkey for 3 months and loved it! Istanbul was magical, and i loved how so many Muslims from across the Muslim world lived there. There were Libyan's, Syrian's, Bosnians, Afghans, Africans - very diverse! I stopped to pray in Ottoman era mosques for every salah and met wonderful Turkish brothers who invited me for soup, tea/coffee. Their hospitatlity is well known! The city never sleeps and every shop is open with families out and about, islamic shops selling Islamic clothing, halal food is nothing to think about again. The other good thing was that there was always something to do. Fajr at Aya Sofya, Juma at Sultan Ahmed mosque, a taxi to Eyub Sultan, then to a religious neighbourhood of Fatih, amazing architecture, great food, affordable and safe. The only negatives were traffic and pollution, but given Istanbul's population, that was understandable. It was also summer and peak season. Also, you can literally cross into Europe and then Asia by ferry. Its to die for. Other parts of Turkey are also great to visit. The blacksea cost is stunning as an example in point and more natural mountainous beauty over city living. Turkey is a great option if you haven't already thought of it and if youre a fan of Erdogan, its a good place to visit and invest in

#3 was the biggest one (imo) that made me think. I can't imagine what it's like to have to live day to day with those worries and fears about yourself AND your children. As a mother of 3 myself, there is already so much to worry about when it comes to our children, without the added fear of visible religion being added to that. I have never once thought about what it would be like, if I was raised in a religion where it was visible to others, how that would have impacted me, nor have I ever passed a thought as a parent. And for that, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you have to live with those worries and fears each day. I'm sorry that people of Muslim religion are bullied and targeted on a daily basis. I'm sorry that a few bad eggs, have marked the beautiful people. I may not be Muslim, but I would gladly step in and stand up for a Muslim (or anyone tbh) who was being victimised because of their religion. I truly hope your children never become victims, and I truly hope that y'all are able to find a place with Sandy beaches, lots of sun, a wonderful Muslim community with plenty of free space to worship how and when you need to freely, and the feeling of safety for you both and your beautiful children.

Opec plus could end this in a day by saying that if there is no ceasefire, then they will not sell anymore oil to Israel or do business with them at all. \nStill no ceasefire? Then they cut production globally sending the price of oil and fossil fuels through the roof. In a week after the price of gas goes through the roof in the US, Biden will stop sending arms to Israel and he and the US government will force Israel into a ceasefire. \nThat is what Opec plus could do to create the 'conditions' for a ceasefire and it would work. \n \nNo more war.\n\nBut they are not doing that are they?\nYou have to wonder why. They did it for money during the war in Ukraine, but they will not do it now. \n\nIt is very telling, isn't it.\nJust a thought or 2

I immigrated to Canada in 2010, and here are my experiences inside and outside Canada. I am grateful for a good education; having a Canadian passport opened up many opportunities in other countries to build a higher-level career. However, if I had known the amount of stress, health, and financial damage that I had to endure, I wouldn't have chosen to come to Canada. I would have remained in the US or EU countries where I could achieve even more without suffering to the level I did here. \n\nMisleading immigration promotion: The government-sponsored Canadian immigration program oversells what Canada can offer. It withholds information on the cost of living, chicken-and-egg problems like Canadian work experience is required to get a job at the same level as you are in, Canadian credit history is required to rent a proper apartment, Canadian education is required to secure a high-level job, etc. \n\nHiring process: I knew the Canadian system was not ideal for immigrants over a decade ago, but it got so bad now that even the born citizens are unable to survive. The Canadian government and employers lack a basic understanding that ambitious, high-achieving people immigrate to other countries for high-level positions using proper channels. It's ridiculous to see that Canada uses a point-based system to choose highly qualified personnel to enter their country yet expects them to pursue low-paying entry-level or labor jobs just because they have brown/black skin. At first, I thought having a Canadian degree and experience might help me get high-level jobs, and I didn't think how I spoke or looked would matter when I had high credentials to show off. So, I got my masters & Ph.D. from the Univesity of Toronto, which consistently ranks #1 in Canada. I have a bachelor's from a prestigious university in Asia and had a high-competitive, well-paid federal government job in another country. Still, none of that was recognized in Canada, and I had to volunteer for over 6 months, 10 to 12 hours/day, in a research lab that led to a funded PhD program. I worked even harder during my Ph.D. with many accomplishments, like 40+ research and leadership awards, internationally recognized scientific discoveries, and innovative technologies. I checked all the above and beyond in various domains (research, teaching, leadership, business, engineering consulting, collaborations, etc.). Yet, employers couldn't see past my race, gender, age, etc., and refused to give me the opportunity at the level of my qualifications. Luckily, I managed to secure short-term work in the UK & the US, and it changed even how I see myself. I was highly respected for my credentials, given higher positions than I applied for, and paid 3-4 times more salary and benefits. Of course, bias is an integral part of every society, but my race, gender, age, etc., were not as big of an issue to begin my career at the mid-career stage in these countries as opposed to Canada. \n\nHealthcare: Access to healthcare was another big challenge for me. When I moved to Canada in 2010, due to extremely low temperatures, I developed hives all over my body, my eyes got red, and I coughed for many months. The doctor said there was nothing wrong with me and refused to give me any medication. It took us years to get a family doctor, and we got one through my personal network. In 2015/2016, I developed an autoimmune disease, and my eyeballs popped out. As of today, I did not get to see an eye specialist as they have only 1 specialist in the area, and the waiting time is for years for the first consultation. Every time the family doctor told me that I had iron deficiency, even when I insisted that they should run additional tests and they cleared, they were flagged. The doctor never diagnosed my autoimmune condition. Luckily, during my short-term work in the UK, I saw competent interns who completed my care. NHS is poorer than the medical system in Canada... they are understaffed, don't have hospital beds after surgery, or don't have stock of paper gowns, yet the staff are highly competent and caring. Within 1-2 years, they did complete diagnosis by sending me to various specialists, completed eye surgery, and even found a lifelong condition that was preventing me from realizing my full potential. Following, in the US, the doctors confirmed the diagnosis of all the conditions within 1-2 months and put me on two small pills for life. It has dramatically changed my life, and I have even more admiration for the medical profession. While in Canada, I suffered for over a decade, and every time, I was treated as a hypochondriac and never given a single prescription. \n\nQuality of life: Big cities like Toronto are mainly affected by high crime rates, overpopulation, cost of living, low employment, low salaries, etc. A few months back, there was a huge auto theft, and one of my contacts lost their Lexus car within minutes of parking. Despite being a scientist, I have no faith in politicians or individuals fixing these problems. The salaries are not increasing, but the taxes and cost of living are on the exponential growth curve. The ridiculous part is that Canada expects you to pay taxes even when you are not employed or living in Canada! I lived in London and Boston, and they offer a much higher quality of life and pay. \n\nGrowth potential: No wonder Canada, being a G7 country, falls at the bottom of the list in innovation, equal opportunities, economic growth, etc. It has a decent education system but, due to its inherent bias in the hiring process and monopoly of certain businesses, loses talented immigrants and highly qualified Canadians to the US, the UK, and EU markets. Unless there is a dramatic shift in policies, Canadians, especially new immigrants, cannot expect any positive experience in Canada except for being discriminated against and losing valuable time and money by being there.